Friday, April 07, 2006
The size of the human population
There was a lot of talk this week about Eric Pianka, who suggested that the planet would be better off if there were less people alive to enjoy it. This article is typical:
FBI Interested in Texas “Doomsday” Ecologist who said Ebola the Solution to Human Overpopulation
A quick summary of Pianka's statements from the article:
I wonder if this problem won't solve itself, without having to resort to killing 5.8 billion people. The way that it would solve itself is by people happily and willingly deciding to discard their bodies so that they can permanently live in virtual worlds instead of the real one.
I am not sure why, but the book entitled The Day You Discard Your Body is starting to get more and more traffic recently, and it is generating some really interesting questions in email. The biggest question, obviously, is "when will the technology catch up with the idea so that people can actually do it?" But there are lots of others, like "how will people have children?" and "Will NASA ever send real astronauts to Mars, or will they actually send body-free astronauts as you suggest?"
Here is the TOC for the book:
FBI Interested in Texas “Doomsday” Ecologist who said Ebola the Solution to Human Overpopulation
A quick summary of Pianka's statements from the article:
- All of which is why the FBI is interested in talking to Texas ecologist and herpetologist, Dr. Eric R. Pianka, who suggested at a meeting of the Texas Academy of Sciences that an airborne version of Ebola that would wipe out 90% of the human population was the solution to the human “overpopulation problem.” ... On the day he was named by the Academy as 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist, Pianka declared that AIDS was not killing off the surplus human population fast enough. What is needed, he said, is Ebola to kill 5.8 billion of the world’s 6 billion plus humans. The speech received a prolonged standing ovation at the Academy’s annual meeting at Lamar University in Beaumont.
I wonder if this problem won't solve itself, without having to resort to killing 5.8 billion people. The way that it would solve itself is by people happily and willingly deciding to discard their bodies so that they can permanently live in virtual worlds instead of the real one.
I am not sure why, but the book entitled The Day You Discard Your Body is starting to get more and more traffic recently, and it is generating some really interesting questions in email. The biggest question, obviously, is "when will the technology catch up with the idea so that people can actually do it?" But there are lots of others, like "how will people have children?" and "Will NASA ever send real astronauts to Mars, or will they actually send body-free astronauts as you suggest?"
Here is the TOC for the book:
- Chapter 1 - Is our science fiction right?
- Chapter 2 - Your fragile body
- Chapter 3 - The power of beauty
- Chapter 4 - Other traps that your body creates
- Chapter 5 - Saving Christopher Reeve, and you
- Chapter 6 - The pull of video games
- Chapter 7 - The problem with video games
- Chapter 8 - Understanding Vertebrane
- Chapter 9 - Experiencing the in-game world
- Chapter 10 - A fateful call from Clarissa
- Chapter 11 - The proliferation of game worlds
- Chapter 12 - The lure of porn
- Chapter 13 - Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
- Chapter 14 - The day you discard your body
- Chapter 15 - Who will be first?
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Imagine someone like this guy or a group like him modifying the bird flu to so this. Make sure there is a vacine available for those who can pay. Why need a war on terror when there are no terrorists left. And the media can claim the bird flu mutated. Coming soon to a third world near you.
He is crazy.. Even if he followed through on his ideas, he would find thatthe world needed 2 billion just to hold up the infrastructure.
I don't want anyone spreading the flu.. but I think it will naturally happen and we are overdue. It will kill two billion.
From a non moral sense, his arguements have been proven in history. the middle class happened after the plauge when the workforce became expensive and nobles had died and serfs took loans to buy their land.
I don't want anyone spreading the flu.. but I think it will naturally happen and we are overdue. It will kill two billion.
From a non moral sense, his arguements have been proven in history. the middle class happened after the plauge when the workforce became expensive and nobles had died and serfs took loans to buy their land.
Would killing 6 or so billion people end up contributing more carbon and greenhouse gases to the environment? Technically as long there are these people around, and the population keeps growing, we are locking carbon up in relatively stable and immobile forms.
Other than that this guy is a nutjob.
Other than that this guy is a nutjob.
Pianka never advocated spreading ebola and killing 5.8 million people. He did say that over-population presented a real problem and that in every other life form over-population ends in a population crash. He think is it likely that we something like Ebola (it won't be AIDS because it is too slow) will cause this crash since humans look like nice substrates to bacteria and there are so many of us to feed off of.
Here is a first source link that has his views:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/Everybody.html
Shame on you, Marshall, for spreading crappy information.
Here is a first source link that has his views:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/Everybody.html
Shame on you, Marshall, for spreading crappy information.
With oil heading towards $70 a barrel for no obvious reason (unless another a hurricane I hadn't heard of struck the Gulf Coast this week), and many metals prices also skyrocketing, the burden of proof about the state of the world's resources has shifted from the Dieoff Cassandras to the cornucopians.
Hm; I thought I'd read that in technically advanced countries, there are population implosions.
The Dilemma Posed by Japan's Population Decline
The Population Implosion
A more generally useful resource is World Mapper: The World as you've Never Seen It.
The Dilemma Posed by Japan's Population Decline
The Population Implosion
A more generally useful resource is World Mapper: The World as you've Never Seen It.
Dangerous stuff when people saying that kind of things receive ovations...
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http://niquel757.blogspot.com
Marshall,
I respect your opinions, but your prerogative dissertation on `The Day You Discard Your Body` has flaws. I don’t want to feel like I'm living in the "Matrix." I pity the folks that will have to "support" the billions of souls living virtual lifestyles. These non-virtual folks will need their own governments, their own food, their need for energy, an environment they can live in, and a need to be human. Hell, over-time this non-virtual race might come to the realization that being a physical human being isn't so bad and un-plug us all. Commonsense, moderation, conservation, and innovation (which will not impede on human existence) seem much better options.
Best regards,
Adam Knight
Fort Lauderdale, FL
I respect your opinions, but your prerogative dissertation on `The Day You Discard Your Body` has flaws. I don’t want to feel like I'm living in the "Matrix." I pity the folks that will have to "support" the billions of souls living virtual lifestyles. These non-virtual folks will need their own governments, their own food, their need for energy, an environment they can live in, and a need to be human. Hell, over-time this non-virtual race might come to the realization that being a physical human being isn't so bad and un-plug us all. Commonsense, moderation, conservation, and innovation (which will not impede on human existence) seem much better options.
Best regards,
Adam Knight
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Mark Plus, there's a big difference between $70 a barrel oil and mass extinction.
I don't think you realize how much our agricultural system depends on cheap oil:
The Oil We Eat
http://tinyurl.com/6gmnu
Eating Fossil Fuels
http://tinyurl.com/yuwdz
I don't think you realize how much our agricultural system depends on cheap oil:
The Oil We Eat
http://tinyurl.com/6gmnu
Eating Fossil Fuels
http://tinyurl.com/yuwdz
Marshall, I can't wait until you release another major online work.
But I gotta tell you, while I would love to discard my body as much as anyone, it seems like operations involving disconnecting the human brain are really, really hard. Like, modern medical science is still pretty haphazard poking around, and we can't even get near that kind of complexity.
OK, I'm just bitter because it's been over a year since I first read your stuff, and the world doesn't seem that different yet. I'll be damned if I'm still manually piloting my car in 9 more years!
But I gotta tell you, while I would love to discard my body as much as anyone, it seems like operations involving disconnecting the human brain are really, really hard. Like, modern medical science is still pretty haphazard poking around, and we can't even get near that kind of complexity.
OK, I'm just bitter because it's been over a year since I first read your stuff, and the world doesn't seem that different yet. I'll be damned if I'm still manually piloting my car in 9 more years!
If they pull off anything like chapter 12, then its a done deal. Millions will sign up for Jasmine and her friends. Chapter 12 is HOT.
Interesting interface to the brain. I'd love to give this a try:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_sc/tongue_sight_1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_sc/tongue_sight_1
Interesting interface to the brain. I'd love to give this a try:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_sc/tongue_sight_1
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